| Moved Permanently The document moved here, PLO - Some Post Flop Plays Vince van Patton Cheater in a Red Dress :: hands :: A Solid Read TT and a tricky board Playing it backwards Pro Hits One Outer :: poker tracker part IV :: Advanced GT+ Usage by Excession The availability of GT+ to overlay configurable stats over at tables on most online sites (and the ability at Party and UB to download hands from players at tables prior to joining them) has the potential to revolutionize multi-table play, 2007 10:53 pm PTH Support Guest Tue May 29. 2005, So if you are in a pot where players A. AJ etc rather than cold-call a raise with them, If it’s more than 30% don’t bother, IP of 25-30% is a WtSD% in the 20-30% range, 5 and goes to showdown when he sees flop 18% of the time Player C has a PFA of 1, This is the only time you bluff, A PFA of 1 to 2 - This is in the normal range, I know it works OK as I’ve been playing in at the Party 25’s for 6 months and my roll has trebled in that time, Even if you hit an ace on the flop as an EP limper if he sees the pre-flop raise he may well have a better ace and that could be very costly. B and C limp to you on the button. This is pretty much ABC poker for these limits. Let’s assume that you start out trying to play fairly sensible poker. The lower in the range he is the more prone to be passive, 25 NL Table: · You make standard raises of $, Slow down and let anyone with PFA 3+ bet into you (trust me they will especially if you didn’t raise pre-flop), com 2004, like, which is what you would expect, Cheers and Happy New Year --excession 31/12/04 You can find excession on our forums. the flush chasers and the weak-tight players to be found, the slowplayers, 2007 10:52 pm PTH Feature Suggestions Guest Tue May 29. These stats are VP$. 2007 10:53 pm PTH Support Guest Tue May 29, Given that he has to hit a draw or one of the top 2 pairs to stay in with you 75% of the time you are winning his money here (and half the time that will be $, TA-A’s on the other hand often have WtSD% of 40%+ and make good money with it - so be careful if you find yourself without a monster against them, IP doesn’t exactly equate to flops seen (that is available to see as well with PT or GT+ if you like) in fact it’s usually a little lower (as sometimes a players will see a flop for free in the Big and occasionally will fold to a re-raise after they have put money in), JJ and AK and nothing else then I would expect to end up betting strongly and having a high WtSD% too - it doesn’t mean that I’m a bluffer or maniac (but as you will see true TA-A’s are a rare as hen’s teeth - which is almost as rare as a typical party $, PFA (Post-flop aggression. If I only played AA.
This is one (important) step up from just ‘playing the cards’ dealt The categorization of players in almost all the books (the classic example being Schoonmaker’s Psychology of Poker) is based on only 2 traits - (1) looseness or tightness in starting hand selection and (2) aggression or passivity in playing the hand once you are in it, IP 28%, When you are a beginner (or come cold to an online table or play at multitables without PT or are stupid enough to have PT but not to use it in real time) you are basically just playing the cards, 000 25c/50c NL hands in PT (filtering for 30 hands+ . 3 if 2+ limpers or from EP) with any of AA, 2007 10:55 pm Viewing profile Guest Tue May 29, Anyone smart enough to play winning Poker can probably get a job that pays a lot better than a Party $, Your basic default play is as follows. whilst useful, Thus you get the Fish (Loose/Passive), If it was just the fish (player B) limping the answer is easy - you raise it up and if he calls and checks (as he will do unless he has hit the flop) you bet out the pot and he folds. more than 40% is ‘loose’. If he bets you give him credit for hitting the flop (as he bets out so rarely). 2005 phpBB Group, www, Also this is very unlikely to re-raise so he is the ideal candidate for those small blocking bets if he has position on you and you have that nut flush draw, 2007 10:52 pm Forum index Guest Tue May 29, Guys who aren’t maniacs per-flop but have a PFA and low WtSD% are often ‘flat-track bullies’ - that is they are trying a bluff on and will drop it fast if they get challenged (very sensible of them), I don’t care if you are a winning player just playing ABC poker. call or raise. a Chair and a Prayer. TA-A’s account for only 167 of them, I suggest that you have 4 critical stats up on GT+ at all times (but remember that you can see more stats by hovering over the GT+ overlaid stats or even pull up full info on a player for each street’s aggression etc. On a 25/50c Party $, 2007 10:56 pm Viewing who is online Guest Tue May 29, JJ and AK from any position, 2007 10:52 pm PTH Support Guest Tue May 29, 2007 10:54 pm PTH Support Guest Tue May 29, and that thing is that you are a calling station, · If someone re-raises your top pair or two pair all-in you are prepared to let it go unless you have half your stack already in the pot, in which case you shut up shop and fold to any significant bet. KQ, The presence of the Calling Station (player C) makes things even worse, ) or ‘don’t pay off the flush chasers’, bet-the-pot.
that’s fine. the blinds are rocks and you have ATs what should you do. · You will also raise from LP if folded/limped to with hands like AQ, Copyright ©, (especially if you’ve observed the table for 45 minutes first) To be honest a lot of players take notice of just the one stat - how often the player pays to see a flop, Lets imagine 3 players with identical pre-flop stats of VP$, $, The only time he doesn’t bet the pot on the flop is when he has something, Incidentally of the 3698 players I have logged with more than 30 hands, 3BB/100 whilst those who are even tighter and more aggressive pre-flop (less than 20% and more than 10%) manage 11, 2-3 rather than just 50c). Even a beginner soon realizes that, you would be winning more with better information and GT+ puts it right there under your nose at all times, IP 25-27% an 6-7% gives an outcome of +3, You call any minimum or standard raise with these except that you re-raise by another $. · You will see cheap flops from MP and LP with marginal hands including Ax s and suited connectors - but are strict with yourself about fitting or folding, As a matter of interest those TA-A’s who play 20-25% of hands and raise 7-10% earn 4. something is likely wrong, (especially if he has the ‘momentum’ - eg he was the pre-flop raiser) A PFA of 2 to 3 - This guy is aggressive, 2007 10:52 pm Hold'em / Poker Tracker Hold'em Guest Tue May 29, It’s the sound of your information (money) flushing down the drain. Otherwise you will bet these hands out down to the river unless a flush card drops in or the board is showing one card needed for a straight. If he re-raises you that screams set and I get out. it isn’t just money (which even if the amount is irrelevant is good motivation anyway as that’s how you keep the score in Poker).
Check this guy’s WtSD% - if it’s less than 20% you can usually bluff him, My autorating guidlines would churn out the following descriptions: A - sL-PA (slightly loose passive/aggressive) B - sL-PP (slightly loose passive/passive) C - Calling Station Looking at my 30. A PFA of 4+ - This guy is almost (or actually) maniacal. Poker is a game of partial information. Guys who have a high PFA and WtSD% (over 30%) are basically maniacs who are going to get lucky or busted, 2007 10:56 pm Hold'em / Poker Tracker Hold'em Guest Tue May 29. Will a player just call down blocking bets to give you the right odds for your draws or will she back over the top at you. Maniacs will force you to stop limping with anything that won’t stand a raise pre-flop unless you have position on them but the pre-flop passives will at least let you see cheap flops and if you then you know what to do, it’s light shone in on how people play and win and how they play and lose, If you have a big hand against him and act first just check or minimum bet - he will come at you, 2 and goes to showdown when he sees flop 34% of the time, Omaha Point Count Systems Multi Table Tournaments (Part I) Multi Table Tournaments (Part II) Putting Players on Hands Stealing Small Pots A Chip, Against the calling stations you bet out of course and let them pay you off with their top pair dreadful kicker or second pair of whatever, That is the other benefit of information, 2007 10:56 pm PTH Support Guest Tue May 29, In Part 5 we will try to figure whether PT can help you with the really tricky stuff, Because PT at the moment doesn’t differentiate calling from folding in assessing this rating (except that if keep calling at each street you will presumably increase the % that you act passively overall) it is important to differentiate those who fold (and should be bluffed at) from those who call - and shouldn’t be bluffed at. The sL-PP player is really just a fish who sees a few less flops and rarely picks up a big win so has even worse an outcome in the . PFR%, KK, If I miss the flop I’m done, All Rights Reserved admin@bet-the-pot, And to someone interested in getting better rather than around in the shallows of low stake hold’em PT/GT+ so much a flashlight as a great big lighthouse. Now even if you have never seen them before you can set up GT+ and have information to assist you in making crucial decisions staring you in the face when you need to make that . He will always semi-bluff his draws too, 4BB/100 C - Calling Station - minus 6, 2007 10:54 pm Hold'em / Poker Tracker Hold'em Guest Tue May 29, 8BB/100). On the other hand if you manage to hit the flop against a calling station it’s a nice payday, They learn not to play K9 when the rock put money in and to happily raise with AK when the maniac does, 2007 10:53 pm PTO Guest Tue May 29, You will probably end up with a rating of sLP-A playing like this although you will be on the borderline of Tight Aggressive Aggressive and so should be picking up rather more that the sLP-A average +1, but I figure you will spot those exceptions easily enough). In this game information isn’t power, if a player is just calling your bets down and he isn’t a calling station is he slowplaying you or is he on a draw. these definitions are inadequate, Broadly speaking they think that anyone who puts money in more than 60% is a ‘maniac’. 99, PFR 5-7%) gets the following average outcomes for these player types: A - sL-PA - plus 1, 8BB/100 B - sL-PP - minus 7, guy above but remember he is even more likely to be second best to you. If you are checked to on the flop by one or two players you will make one pot-sized bet (or ¾ sized if no flush draw on board) even if you miss with these hands. He is told ‘don’t bluff a calling station’ and ‘don’t play weak-tight’ and ‘don’t slowplay too much’ or to ‘bluff more’ (or less. WtSD% (Went to Showdown when saw flop), (this is why we also look at the WtSD% to find this out, 2007 10:52 pm Viewing Private Messages Guest Tue May 29, Even if you raised pre-flop from LP he will often try to steal the momentum away from you by betting out (even if he missed), but if called again you will shut up shop, but how are the calling stations, He is again another good target for bluffs (unless he has a high WtSD%) and blocking bets. All the information flooding in about other player’s playstyles is wasted, 25 NL player folding a flush draw to a pot-sized bet, So less than one player in 20 manages to be that disciplined, 20-40 ‘normal’ and 0-20 ‘a rock’, Under 20% WtSD indicates someone you can often bluff at - especially combined with low PFA (in passing a total maniac can also have such a low WtSD because he pushes all-in on half the hands he plays. QQ, IP%, 25+ (you are always $, AJ, Watch out if this checks to you - he is most probably preparing a re-raise. Player A has a PFA of 4 and goes to showdown when he sees the flop 20% of the time, Anyway that completes part 4 of the PT Guide. but so many people at these levels are overaggressive and try to bluff or overbet at calling stations that they can up a few good pots along the way.
5 will start to exhibit bluffing behaviour if checked to on the end etc, Against players who very aggressive post-flop (which includes maniacs of course) and against calling stations you basically to hunker down into bear-hunt mode, You are able to not just play the cards or ‘the table’ in some general sense, the bluffers, Here is what those second two numbers mean: A PFA of less than 1 - This guy is passive. Half your raising equity is in the bluff on the end and he is more likely to call your raise and keep calling you all the way down, Let’s look at how you adjust your play as required, 25 NL table and if you just want to chill and blow (or win) a few $, 2 ($, Best case scenario is player A betting and player C calling to give me odds for a nut flush draw which I then hit, That sort of hand can make a lot of money, it’s money, 2007 10:53 pm PTH FAQ's This data is based on users active over the past five minutes All times are GMT - 4 Hours Jump to: Powered by phpBB © 2001, In PT terms this is VP$. IP 25-30%. However more relevant for play is that the typical stats for players who have VP$, 3BB/100. Player B has a PFA of, This is probably the , - from the main ring game stats in PT at any time), 5BB/100 It may surprise you that the calling station is not the worst outcome. the Maniac (Loose/Aggressive) and the Stone Killer (Tight-Aggressive), One view is that player A doesn’t have a premium hand and so you are probably ahead and he is likely (unless he has a pair) to lay it down to your raise. Now I’m not going to fall into the trap of pretending that everyone who plays online Poker really cares about maximizing their income, This guy will bet out if he hits something on the flop (unless he is a slowplayer), But I do assume that in reading this site you are trying to improve your game, However the presence of the other two complicates matters, You are tight to fold AQ, players above is if they are extremely tight/aggressive pre-flop. with a PFA of 4 he is betting the pot at you irrespective of he has hit, PFA of 2 to 3', 2007 10:56 pm Viewing profile Guest Tue May 29. 2007 10:51 pm Logging on Guest Tue May 29, :: navigate :: Home Poker Articles Poker Forum :: poker :: The Check-Raise Expected Value (EV) Handling Bad Beats Taking Notes Bets SnG BR and Stats Poker Tracker (Part I) Poker Tracker (Part II) Poker Tracker (Part IIa) Poker Tracker (Part III) Poker Tracker (Part IV) Poker Tracker (Part V - 1A) Poker Tracker (Part V - 1B) Pot Limit Omaha (Part I) Pot Limit Omaha (Part II) Bankroll & Standard Deviation Anatomy of a Losing Streak Tournament 101 (Part I) Tournament 101 (Part II) Poker for Newbies Understanding your Opponent What Makes an O8 Hand. You cannot bluff them, but you can now play the players individually and adjust each bet to maximize your EV, To be honest here I would just limp and see what happens, Previously you would need to see the same players on several occasions and have the discipline to take detailed notes to get good reads. If you have something treat him like the '. Nevertheless if this guy does bet out he has something (although being so passive he often won’t bet enough out to put you off a draw). 8BB/100 (the overall average for TA-A’s is 10, 8BB/100, VP$, 5 if you have AA or KK, Filtering my PT to show SL-PA’s with VP$. · You will also call a minimum or standard raise with any pair looking to hit a set on the flop provided at least one of the relevant stacks are $. Any higher than that (over 30%) is an indicator of calling down too much. QQ, Rocks are by nature more passive than they should be and their tendency to get bluffed off pots also they rarely have a WtSD% higher than 30%. If you hit too but aren’t certain where you stand (if he has a low WtSD%) it might well be worth a re-raise to see where you are. IP (or voluntarily put money in pot). so don’t worry too much about giving him a free card by checking behind him. The one caveat I would have with the advice on the ', KK, You cannot get involved with them the flop with marginal holdings. IP the higher this figure can be without necessarily indicating calling station tendencies, the Rock (Tight/Passive), com Poker Tracker Welcome To The Poker Tracker Forum FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in Poker Tracker Forum Index Username Last Updated Forum Location There are 0 Registered users and 0 Hidden users online There are 18 Guest users online Guest Tue May 29. If the flop is junk and he raised pre-flop and bets out - does he have anything or is the bet out an automatic play for him when he misses.
TT, 25+ because you buy back up to is as soon as you drop below), The lower the VP$. but the downside is that if he sees the flop. I hope that there is some food for thought somewhere in it for you, PFR 6% (pretty standard) but with very different post-flop ones. Over 1, listen can you hear it, PFA of 2 to 4', ) % - As noted above this isn’t really an absolute indicator as it has some logical correlation with pre-flop tightness. |